Did Prophet Muhammad hear Allah's voice when he produced the Qur'an?

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Permalink Reply by Hamzah on September 12, 2009 at 5:14am

Thanks for sharing the source brother...

Omar Muhammad said:

Thanks for the clarification.

Here is the source I used if you or anyone else was interested, they give the translator's name also.

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/...


Hamzah said:

Subhanallah, I just read the hadith in Arabic... Whoever translated this Hadith translated it wrong.

Abu Shah didn't ask the Prophet to write, he asked the Prophet to command the people to write for him.

Let me explain: Abu Shah said, (Uktuboo) with a letter (wow) at the end. This means that he was asking a group of people, not one person. Anyone who understands basic Arabic grammar should understand what I mean.

This is why the Prophet answered: "Write it for him." (uktuboo li Abi Shaah) NOT: I write it. (Aktubu)

If you read the Arabic, you will find there is no doubt that Abu Shah is telling the Prophet to command the people to write his speech for him, and that the Prophet responded by commanding the people to write it.

So, in essence, this further proves my point that the Prophet did not write.

Whoever translated that Hadith made a grave mistranslation. If you present this Hadith to anyone who knows Arabic you will find that what I am saying is true. I would not lie to you about hadith.

It is also important that we don't take our knowledge - especially hadith and translations - from unknown sources of the internet. I'm not saying you did that brother, but just in case you did, I just want to give you some sincere brotherly advice about that. You don't know who is putting information out there, so this is something to be careful about.

Allah knows best

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Permalink Reply by Nash on September 12, 2009 at 5:18pm

ASA
Really enjoying this class you guys

I was also looking at the word QARA’A which means to read. Or read a written thing, it also means proclaim, recite with or without having script.

Sura 16 - An-Nahl (MAKKA) : Verse 98
When thou dost read the Qur'an, seek Allah's protection from Satan the Rejected one


Sura 17 - Al-Isra (MAKKA) : Verse 14
(It will be said to him:) "Read thine (own) book: sufficient is thy soul this day to make out an account against thee."
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali

Sura 17 - Al-Isra (MAKKA) : Verse 78
Establish regular prayers at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali

Sura 17 - Al-Isra (MAKKA) : Verse 93
"Or thou have a house adorned with gold, or thou mount a ladder right into the skies. No, we shall not even believe in thy mounting until thou send down to us a book that we could read." Say: "Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man a messenger?"
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali

Sura 17 - Al-Isra (MAKKA) : Verse 71
One day We shall call together all human beings with their (respective) Imams: those who are given their record in their right hand will read it (with pleasure), and they will not be dealt with unjustly in the least.
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali


Sura 69 - Al-Haaqqa (MAKKA) : Verse 19
Then He that will be given his Record in his right hand will say: "Ah here! read ye my Record!
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali

Sura 73 - Al-Muzzammil (MAKKA) : Verse 20
The Lord doth know that thou standest forth (to prayer) nigh two-thirds of the night, or half the night, or a third of the night, and so doth a party of those with thee. But Allah doth appoint Night and Day in due measure. He knoweth that ye are unable to keep count thereof. So He hath turned to you (in mercy): read ye, therefore, of the Qur'an as much as may be easy for you

Sura 96 - Al-Alaq (MAKKA) : Verse 1
Proclaim! (or Read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created
96:3 Read! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful

So here we have Allah saying READ even the word Quran means that which is to be Read or that which is read, Surah 16 ‘’When you Read the Quran seek Allahs protection” clearly this is showing that Allah is establishing an education system of reading,(correct reading) So if we even look at Iqra this is a much deeper command,calling one to read. Lets try this..everybody close your eyes and reflect on the name Allah… what do you see??

That’s reading!!

Language is symbols all throughout time Prophets and mankind relate by symbols. What were he symbols in the Prophets time for expressing Arabic language? How is it or rather how can the Prophet tell us to do something that he himself cant do? He tells captives to teach people how to read he tells us to read and the whole time he cannot read?? What is a person called who tells you to do something that they themselves donot do??

Now lets take a look at this ayat….
Al-Baqara (The Cow)

2:44 Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To practise it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?

If we say that the Prophet never knew how to read then this ayat can be attributed to the Prophet. How can the Prophet enjoin the right conduct of education of learning how to read and write on the community and forget practiced it himself?? Of course we all know that this does not apply to the Prophet. Weve seen brilliant scholarly Imams giving lectures and have nothing written down, yet his students record everything. Some of these Imams we don’t even know if they can truly read or write. Yet the wisdom that spills forth from them makes that thought never even enter our minds.

Look at this ayat
قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ جَمِيعًا الَّذِي لَهُ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ لا إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ يُحْيِـي وَيُمِيتُ فَآمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ النَّبِيِّ الأُمِّيِّ الَّذِي يُؤْمِنُ بِاللّهِ وَكَلِمَاتِهِ وَاتَّبِعُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ
7:158 (Y. Ali) day: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided

Now look at this ayat


هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِّنْهُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِن كَانُوا مِن قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ (62:2)

62:2 (Y. Ali) It is He Who has sent amongst the unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error

Here we have the same word but we have in the first ayat an unlettered Prophet and in this ayat we have people who are unlettered. Question who is the unlettered? If we say that ummiy means that the Prophet could not read or write then the same word that is used must apply to the people as well. Now if the Arabs could not read or write either then how did they record what the Prophet said?? How did Ali write down a letter being dictated to him by the Prophet?? All of a sudden he knew how to write?? But wait theres that word ummi which is means to some that Muhammad could not read or write. Now here Allah says that he sent an rasoolan amongst the unlettered people.

So the very same people that cant read or write are given the responsibility to record the Quran on bones and leaves???????

This reading this being ummi is talking about scripture, being unlettered in scripture


2:78 (Y. Ali) And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture


This knowing not the Book is not talking about them not being able to read the Book. They don’t have any understanding of the Book and most don’t know the Book,even the Quran, some can recite all day and not understand a single word or apply the Quran in their lives. The same is with the people of the Book. They are not truly reading the Book.
If I pick up the Quran and read that it says to stay away from intoxicants then I go and smoke weed and cigarettes and say that weed is natural and cigarettes is not haram then I am not able to read the Quran properly I am unlettered in its meanings. And if I publish something backing up my thoughts then I can neither write nor read when it comes to scripture.In fact I will be speaking from my own desires, something which the Meccans ,Jews and Christians at that time were famous for doing and Muhammad was told to tell them that he says nothing on his own.

For fear of writing to much I will stop here but im really enjoying this discussion

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Permalink Reply by Sister Hanifa on September 13, 2009 at 6:34am

I am still reading..........You all are welcome to keep commenting. This is great. Mashallah. The kind of building and interacting that we should be having on here!

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Permalink Reply by Hadayai Majeed on September 13, 2009 at 7:39am

Allah spoke through his conscious mind like he speaks to us when we read the Quran. Allah created us so we are like clay under his will.

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Permalink Reply by Abu Sufyan on September 13, 2009 at 9:47am

Hamdulillah, decent deductions Nash, good use of logic on something tangible such as Quranic Arabic, which I still believe is to deep for anyone discussing here to be talking about in depth, but a commendable job. Secondly Hamzah, I can see the train of thought, but now what you are talking about (Allah's Voice) and going into is... Dun Dun Dun..... Kalam.... Theology... That isn't so tangible though people use tangible sources. What is so subjective about it is, you can use logic and good strong logic and sources to say Allah did not speak to the Prophet in voice, while I can do the same thing to say he indeed did speak directly to the Prophet (s) on different occasions. So who is right? Is no one wrong? How do we really know? How sure are we, when we speak of what Allah can, and cannot do, did, and did not do?

وَإِذۡ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕكَةِ إِنِّى جَاعِلٌ۬ فِى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ خَلِيفَةً۬‌ۖ
(2:30) And when thy Lord said (Qaala: He said, Third person, Masculine Singular, referring to the noun Rabuka, literally "your Lord, your God" Allah talking about himself) unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth.

So angels and IBLIS spoke DIRECTLY Allah. So the voice arguement is done as Allah created angels and jinn in the unseen realm. Voice is not the attribute I am giving Allah; I am simply saying he can speak and be heard directly as he clearly says many times in the Quran. Applying tangible science to Allah's speech is automatically null and void as an arguement as I am not saying that natural laws apply to his supernatural voice. Can meanings come to the heart? IF that is what indeed Happened, as there was no source backing up that statement. How come he could not hear it directly with supernatual ears?

My point is this. If Allah can have a direct conversation with IBLIS and the Angels, back and forth (who Allah created by the way)... How come all of a sudden he cannot speak directly to the BEST CREATION ever Rasulullah (s)? What does it take away from Allah to speak and be heard by the Prophet? Did the prophet not say in a SAHIH Hadith that the greatest reward from Paradise is when Allah comes from behind his veils and says "Assalamu Alaika" to see Allah directly as a creation can arguably be deeper than hearing him... Aynul Yaqin (certainty of sight) right?? Perhaps we may be thinking too hard, If I have erred, Allah forgive me.

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Permalink Reply by Nash on September 13, 2009 at 2:38pm

Hamdulillah, decent deductions Nash, good use of logic on something tangible such as Quranic Arabic, which I still believe is to deep for anyone discussing here to be talking about in depth, but a commendable job.

I disagree brother, you as well as other people on here are bringing about some deep insight into the language of the Quran. Its causing me to study and others as well, we are crossing that thresh hold of serious depth into this language. MashaAallah you may think that its too deep but im seeing some strong swimmers in this deep water



Secondly Hamzah, I can see the train of thought, but now what you are talking about (Allah's Voice) and going into is... Dun Dun Dun..... Kalam.... Theology... That isn't so tangible though people use tangible sources. What is so subjective about it is, you can use logic and good strong logic and sources to say Allah did not speak to the Prophet in voice, while I can do the same thing to say he indeed did speak directly to the Prophet (s) on different occasions. So who is right? Is no one wrong? How do we really know? How sure are we, when we speak of what Allah can, and cannot do, did, and did not do?


Its that saying that we say in every salat Allahu Akbar! God is Greater. To me this is saying that He is greater than whatever is on our mind so whatever we concive about Allah be it a hand or voice we should remember that He is greater than that. Allah is giving US something so that we can comprehend a little bit more of who He is. But whatever we have comprehended …He is greater..

وَإِذۡ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕكَةِ إِنِّى جَاعِلٌ۬ فِى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ خَلِيفَةً۬‌ۖ
(2:30) And when thy Lord said (Qaala: He said, Third person, Masculine Singular, referring to the noun Rabuka, literally "your Lord, your God" Allah talking about himself) unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth.

So angels and IBLIS spoke DIRECTLY Allah. So the voice arguement is done as Allah created angels and jinn in the unseen realm. Voice is not the attribute I am giving Allah; I am simply saying he can speak and be heard directly as he clearly says many times in the Quran. Applying tangible science to Allah's speech is automatically null and void as an arguement as I am not saying that natural laws apply to his supernatural voice. Can meanings come to the heart? IF that is what indeed Happened, as there was no source backing up that statement. How come he could not hear it directly with supernatual ears?

My point is this. If Allah can have a direct conversation with IBLIS and the Angels, back and forth (who Allah created by the way)... How come all of a sudden he cannot speak directly to the BEST CREATION ever Rasulullah (s)? What does it take away from Allah to speak and be heard by the Prophet?

The Angels nor Iblis spoke directly to God from my understanding, This same ayat that you have mentioned is timeless. It speaks to all nations and all times, Allah says that He’s going to place a kalifa on the earth. If we look at the rise and fall off nations we see that same kalifa coming everytime we see a Prophet coming to these people. Muhammad was a kalifa Islam is a kalifa this is speaking about a religious order to be placed within the earth. This speaking that Allah is doing not a physical speaking why?? Because Allah is greater than this type of thinking on Him.

Look at when the Prophet went on the night journey, Jabril took Muhamad to a place and said that if he goes any further than he would be no more. Jabril stopped and Muhammad went on. Why? If the Angels and Iblis spoke directly to God why did Jabril stop and said he would be no more if Allah speaks to him directly?

The Prophet only went on to speak to Allah from behind a veil. Even in the Quran people asked why Allah did not speak to them these evil people are literally asking for Allah to speak to them in the manner in which we speak to each other. This word Qala also means to inspire as well and we all know that the Prophets were inspired by Allah. How does Allah speak to us now?? How can we hear Allahs voice? If we read the Quran and we are blessed to have some understanding of it then Allah is not only speaking to us He is teaching us as well. I think we miss the bigger picture if we reduce the talking in the Quran to mere common speaking.

This is a Book that yes speaks on all levels and to all levels however its sent to bring out the best in mankind. So the best thinking on Allah in my opinion is not to subject him to our level of communication between each other. This is a much much higher avenue of communicating to us. Allah doesn’t speak to us unless our hearts are pure, and when one is blessed with understanding from Allah they say always when asked where do they get that from they
Say Allah but always the evil ones say right, show me this Allah or tell Him to speak to me.
This speaking is an inspiration and the way in which Allah speaks to his messengers is on a high level of communicating.

Did the prophet not say in a SAHIH Hadith that the greatest reward from Paradise is when Allah comes from behind his veils and says "Assalamu Alaika" to see Allah directly as a creation can arguably be deeper than hearing him... Aynul Yaqin (certainty of sight) right?? Perhaps we may be thinking too hard, If I have erred, Allah forgive me.

Yes brother you got that right and this seeing takes place on a different level of seeing. Remember we have to die before we see any of that, we have to leave behind this material body, and we will have a new body in paradise. (Im getting dat perfect 6 pack yall lol). So our hearing and seeing Allah would be on a different level of hearing and seeing . The same afterlife the Prophets had true vision into this but their sight was not the sight that we precieve. Nor was their hearing the same that we precieve.

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Permalink Reply by sofia parveen on September 16, 2009 at 5:13pm

Hamdulillah, decent deductions Nash, good use of logic on something tangible such as Quranic Arabic, which I still believe is to deep for anyone discussing here to be talking about in depth, but a commendable job. Excuse me? lolz, we are all enjoying the deep discussion here,we may not understand everything but enjoying non the less!lol! Just make sure you carry on breaking it down for us.

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Permalink Reply by Hamzah on September 19, 2009 at 2:49pm

Alhamdulillah, we agree on the fact that the Prophet didn't read the scripture, we just disagree if he actually read words on a page.

If you read all of those ayat and come to the conclusion that these daleel all point to him reading but just not reading the scripture, you are obligated to decide for yourself (of course). I disagree with your conclusion though.

I wouldn't mind debating this issue in length, but I think the more we debate on it the further we stray from the spirit of the message behind it. Allah knows best.

That being said, how does this discussion relate to building a sound religious education in our American (or Bermudian) community? I think that would be a more fruitful discourse. Allah knows best.



Nash said:

ASA
Really enjoying this class you guys I was also looking at the word QARA’A which means to read. Or read a written thing, it also means proclaim, recite with or without having script. Sura 16 - An-Nahl (MAKKA) : Verse 98 When thou dost read the Qur'an, seek Allah's protection from Satan the Rejected one


Sura 17 - Al-Isra (MAKKA) : Verse 14
(It will be said to him:) "Read thine (own) book: sufficient is thy soul this day to make out an account against thee."
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali

Sura 17 - Al-Isra (MAKKA) : Verse 78
Establish regular prayers at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali

Sura 17 - Al-Isra (MAKKA) : Verse 93
"Or thou have a house adorned with gold, or thou mount a ladder right into the skies. No, we shall not even believe in thy mounting until thou send down to us a book that we could read." Say: "Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man a messenger?"
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali

Sura 17 - Al-Isra (MAKKA) : Verse 71
One day We shall call together all human beings with their (respective) Imams: those who are given their record in their right hand will read it (with pleasure), and they will not be dealt with unjustly in the least.
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali


Sura 69 - Al-Haaqqa (MAKKA) : Verse 19
Then He that will be given his Record in his right hand will say: "Ah here! read ye my Record!
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali

Sura 73 - Al-Muzzammil (MAKKA) : Verse 20
The Lord doth know that thou standest forth (to prayer) nigh two-thirds of the night, or half the night, or a third of the night, and so doth a party of those with thee. But Allah doth appoint Night and Day in due measure. He knoweth that ye are unable to keep count thereof. So He hath turned to you (in mercy): read ye, therefore, of the Qur'an as much as may be easy for you

Sura 96 - Al-Alaq (MAKKA) : Verse 1
Proclaim! (or Read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created
96:3 Read! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful

So here we have Allah saying READ even the word Quran means that which is to be Read or that which is read, Surah 16 ‘’When you Read the Quran seek Allahs protection” clearly this is showing that Allah is establishing an education system of reading,(correct reading) So if we even look at Iqra this is a much deeper command,calling one to read. Lets try this..everybody close your eyes and reflect on the name Allah… what do you see??

That’s reading!!

Language is symbols all throughout time Prophets and mankind relate by symbols. What were he symbols in the Prophets time for expressing Arabic language? How is it or rather how can the Prophet tell us to do something that he himself cant do? He tells captives to teach people how to read he tells us to read and the whole time he cannot read?? What is a person called who tells you to do something that they themselves donot do??

Now lets take a look at this ayat….
Al-Baqara (The Cow)

2:44 Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To practise it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?

If we say that the Prophet never knew how to read then this ayat can be attributed to the Prophet. How can the Prophet enjoin the right conduct of education of learning how to read and write on the community and forget practiced it himself?? Of course we all know that this does not apply to the Prophet. Weve seen brilliant scholarly Imams giving lectures and have nothing written down, yet his students record everything. Some of these Imams we don’t even know if they can truly read or write. Yet the wisdom that spills forth from them makes that thought never even enter our minds.

Look at this ayat
قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ جَمِيعًا الَّذِي لَهُ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ لا إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ يُحْيِـي وَيُمِيتُ فَآمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ النَّبِيِّ الأُمِّيِّ الَّذِي يُؤْمِنُ بِاللّهِ وَكَلِمَاتِهِ وَاتَّبِعُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ
7:158 (Y. Ali) day: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided

Now look at this ayat


هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِّنْهُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِن كَانُوا مِن قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ (62:2)

62:2 (Y. Ali) It is He Who has sent amongst the unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error

Here we have the same word but we have in the first ayat an unlettered Prophet and in this ayat we have people who are unlettered. Question who is the unlettered? If we say that ummiy means that the Prophet could not read or write then the same word that is used must apply to the people as well. Now if the Arabs could not read or write either then how did they record what the Prophet said?? How did Ali write down a letter being dictated to him by the Prophet?? All of a sudden he knew how to write?? But wait theres that word ummi which is means to some that Muhammad could not read or write. Now here Allah says that he sent an rasoolan amongst the unlettered people.

So the very same people that cant read or write are given the responsibility to record the Quran on bones and leaves???????

This reading this being ummi is talking about scripture, being unlettered in scripture


2:78 (Y. Ali) And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture


This knowing not the Book is not talking about them not being able to read the Book. They don’t have any understanding of the Book and most don’t know the Book,even the Quran, some can recite all day and not understand a single word or apply the Quran in their lives. The same is with the people of the Book. They are not truly reading the Book.
If I pick up the Quran and read that it says to stay away from intoxicants then I go and smoke weed and cigarettes and say that weed is natural and cigarettes is not haram then I am not able to read the Quran properly I am unlettered in its meanings. And if I publish something backing up my thoughts then I can neither write nor read when it comes to scripture.In fact I will be speaking from my own desires, something which the Meccans ,Jews and Christians at that time were famous for doing and Muhammad was told to tell them that he says nothing on his own.

For fear of writing to much I will stop here but im really enjoying this discussion

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Permalink Reply by Omar on September 20, 2009 at 12:24am

Taken from Introduction to Islam by Dr. Zahid Aziz:

27. Why are angels necessary to bring God's messages to man?

Just as light is needed as a medium for our eyes to see things, and air is needed to carry sound to our ears, similarly an agency is required to activate our spiritual senses. The angels are that agency. They bring God's messages to the 'inner' eyes and ears of righteous people, and also cast good and noble thoughts into the 'hearts' of all people. But it is only the righteous who, because of their highly­developed spiritual senses, may be able to perceive the working of angels.

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Permalink Reply by Nash on September 20, 2009 at 4:13pm

Alhamdulillah, we agree on the fact that the Prophet didn't read the scripture, we just disagree if he actually read words on a page.
Yes


If you read all of those ayat and come to the conclusion that these daleel all point to him reading but just not reading the scripture, you are obligated to decide for yourself (of course). I disagree with your conclusion though.

Cool man

I wouldn't mind debating this issue in length, but I think the more we debate on it the further we stray from the spirit of the message behind it. Allah knows best.

I disagree brother because, Allah stresses for us to think all the time and not just simple thinking, to really think! The more we study and pass our thinking around the more we actually gain from one another. The spirit of the message is to bring out the best inside of us and that same spirit calls for us to think. We only stray when we stop thinking and say that all the thinking has been done already. I believe that the spirit is still strong and it was a blessing learning from each other
I do agree that Allah knows best

That being said, how does this discussion relate to building a sound religious education in our American (or Bermudian) community? I think that would be a more fruitful discourse. Allah knows best.

Well a discussion like this shows how we as muslims should be when it comes to the education in our communities. We should never down people we should always take the best and we should share. To build a sound religious education we need people in positions that do not restrict thinking and encourage people to think more on the Quran and never ever flash read. And also this discussion relating to building a sound muslim community is only relevant if one can make it relate to their needs. If im discussing electricity can it relate if your interest is on eating a bag of chips? Only if you can see that you need electricity in order to make the chips or the chip bag.

However if its not relevant to you then it will never be relevant to you at all. That being said ..education is vast when a question is asked the questioner is seeking an answer. As muslims we try our best to give an answer that hopefully will guide that person and if they are guided then it is not the person who has brought the questioner to an answer it is Allah guiding that person to a better understanding.

So here in a discussion like this we have sound religious education taking place and if an understanding of a question is understood then we see Allah working through certain people and those people in no way shape or form take the credit if someone better understands the religion. Now to force ones thinking on another is wrong and that is not education its tyranny. But to allow people to think and come to the best thinking on this religion then that is not only education it is a blessing from G-d and freedom and builds strong individual Muslims

Oh i almost forgot......
EID MUBARAK!!!!!!!!!

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Permalink Reply by Ayman Zarif on September 21, 2009 at 12:49pm

no, Allah did not speak directlly to the prophet......it was the angel that spoke to the prophet's heart.....and no, the prophet did not write anything....what he said it was from Allah.....later on Allah's word came in the form of a book.........the holy qur'an.thats all for now.......but there is more i have to say....

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Permalink Reply by Ayman Zarif on September 21, 2009 at 12:53pm

one more important thing.....the qur'an and the bible tell us about how the prophet recieve Allah's word.......

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