9/11 did Muslims really do it?

Since 9/11 I thought to myself that maybe Muslims did do it. But for what reason? What have we gained out of it? I have had my doubts but now I am 100% convinced that it was an inside job. Couple of months ago a was watching a 3hr investigative report by Alex Jones on youtube about 9/11. He is a loony toon but many things he was saying made sense. Its called: Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State.

Then last week I was reading about Operation Northwoods below.

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag conspiracy plan, proposed within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to commit apparent acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Castro-led Cuba. One plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

This operation is especially notable in that it included plans for hijackings and bombings followed by the use of phony evidence that would blame the terrorist acts on a foreign government, namely Cuba.

The plan stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Operation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and signed by then-Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, and sent to the Secretary of Defense.

Several other proposals were listed, including the real or simulated actions against various U.S military and civilian targets. Operation Northwoods was part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project (Operation Mongoose) anti-Castro initiative. It was never officially accepted or executed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Also why Afghanistan and Iraq? Who has to gain the most from 9/11? I am sure you heard about the pipeline going through Afganistan. First the CIA funds the mujahdeen and taliban against Soviet. Now they are the sworn enemy? Taliban is not that clean either; they have been trying to get a piece of the contract from building the pipeline. Since West can't agree with them, they want them out and replaced by a puppet regime. Very simple, Oil companies cannot build a pipeline in an unstable country.

Iraq’s proven oil reserves of 112 billion barrels are the world’s second largest, behind Saudi Arabia. Iraq is now under complete occupation of the Western forces. Run by a puppet regime, they could care less about the Iraqi people as long as they control the oil now.

Afgan still a problem. That's why Obama is still pushing hard at it! He is just following the steps of Bush jr.

Would be interesting to know waht everyone else thinks.

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Permalink Reply by Ashir on May 8, 2009 at 6:18am: Hmmm...gonna finish this later. Nice topic bro :); ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by SheKey on May 8, 2009 at 1:46pm: http://911proof.com/

911 was a political event, NOT a religious one. i mean, come on, we of all people, as Muslims, lovers of TRUTH, should be smart enough to KNOW that 911 was INDEED an inside job - not the first, and unfortunately most likely not the last. It is called a false flag operation. It's just a tool, a means to an end. When it comes to politics, civilian lives are seen to be expendable. Muslims need to stop taking the blame for 911 and stop feeling guilty about 911 and begin to educate ourselves and others as to what it really was. http://911proof.com/ 'nuff said!; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by CaptiveMinds on May 8, 2009 at 3:07pm: I could not agree more with you. Like you said we should stop blaming ourselves for 9/11, stop feeling guilty and apologitic for 9/11. For this reason I opened this discussion. To inshallah try and have an open discussion to educate each other and help each other to spread the truth about what really happened. This is our duty as muslims; as this has already affected us today and will probably affect our children unless we bring it out in the open and stop being apologitic. may Allah help us and give us strength!; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Dante on May 8, 2009 at 3:26pm: Uh your about 30 years too late this was hot when Mkultra was first discovered stop bringing up old documents and bring something new to the playing field there buddy. You seem to me like a hand me down tape recorder rather than an informed individual ...What you forgot to mention

was the fact that North woods was not brought to the table until the Naval incident in the late 60s took place... A naval admiral and Israeli pilot brought it public.

you say they like your not american.

Obama is pushing hard because he is following Bush? another conspiracy theorist on the loose. time to set the Books straight Operation North woods never ended it goes on to this day.

Its used to draw us into wars like you said. but it isnt a secret that became public in the 70s any johnny boy and his dad can get hold of that.

They this they that./.... Your living in America your an American you don't like it hate the u.s and their "puppet regimes" so on so forth guess what the door is as simple as migrating to somewhere else on a plane.

Its as simple as We CANNOT pull out of either spot because neither spot has a stable government and Iraq is taken over by such a ""puppet regime"that we are ready to abandon them and leave them to it because they will just kill each other off anyway.... Stop talking nonsense Oil companies build wherever and whenever they want unstable or not

They did it before and theyll do it now if you think this is all over oil you are without a doubt one of the most naive and blind people i have ever met sir and you need to have your brain plucked so you can learn how to use it to strategist. This has nothign to do with oil

these coutnries have been Warring for decades Before the u.s intervened I dont see you doing a cover story on any of the U.Ks involvment iwth the begining of this oil nonsense to begin with.

And oh please don't forget to mention how these people were being misused and mistreated before the U.S got there... ah that's right.... ooops! the U.S can simply buy or steal or use its own oil number 1 number 2 All the U.S wants is a hand in someone else pocket its simply business that's all War is because there's tons of them going on right now as we speak

Yea I like alex Jones too but I dont beleive EVERY single thing he says he obviously hasan agenda him and David von kleist work toghther hes another good "savior"to the blind and guess what.

david vonkleist has his own website where he talks about 32nd degree masons and demonizes Islam to the public but yea thats yur sources partner do your own research Alex Jones makes very valid points but hes onnly 40-55% accurate Sorry Ive been following him going on 5 yrs now; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Dante on May 8, 2009 at 3:27pm: I knew it would only be a matter of time before this nonsense came to .... YRAC and welp its here...; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by CaptiveMinds on May 8, 2009 at 5:09pm: First I don't appreciate your "rudeness" and aggressive attitude. You can share your ideas with respect.

Sorry we are not all well informed of Northwood, MK Ultra and all the "old documents". Not all people inculding Muslims know or have the knowledge you have. For this reason it is still important to "bring them up" to educate and inform. Who said operation Northwoods ended?? ofcourse its still going on. The best thing to come out of 9/11 is the "war of terror". Now wars can start anywhere in the world with the pretext of "war on terror"; because anyone can be a terrorist and that would be the best excuse to "hit" them.

I never said I was American or live in America; also I never said I hate the US. I hate the adminstration, the people in power, the corrupt elite. So what you are saying if you dont like something then leave; run away. why not fix it?? why leave? that's a sad mentality

"Pull Out"?? why go in? thats the question? ofcourse now that the US invaded Iraq the country is unstable. Sad to hear from Iraqis that they now prefer when Saddam was in power. yes he was cruel but atleast the country was stable.

On February 12, 1998, John J. Maresca, vice president, international relations for UNOCAL oil company, testified before the US House of Representatives, Committee on International Relations. Maresca provided information to Congress on Central Asia oil and gas reserves and how they might shape US foreign policy. UNOCAL's problem? As Maresca said: "How to get the region's vast energy resources to the markets." The oil reserves are in areas north of Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Russia. Routes for a pipeline were proposed that would transport oil on a 42-inch pipe southward thru Afghanistan for 1040 miles to the Pakistan coast. Such a pipeline would cost about $2.5 billion and carry about 1 million barrels of oil per day.

Maresca told Congress then that: "It's not going to be built until there is a single Afghan government. That's the simple answer."

Ofcourse Oil companies cannot build oil pipes in an unstable country. are they stupid? who will protect their interests against insurgents?

I meantioned the WEST including UK, France, US, etc... These countries were warring before, i agree. who financed them? who pushed them to war? US supported Saddam with money and weopons against Iran. he was doing them a favor. making Iran a threat to the west weaker. In afganistan warring against the Soviet; supported by the US again. Read the news...

Are we supposed to believe that US went into Iraq to free the people?? to establish democracy in Iraq and Afganistan? Why not free the Palestianian people who have been terrorized by the Zionist for the past 60yrs and more??

not about the Oil or Money?? not a sane person can believe that. what is the war about saving the poor oppressed people of Iraq and Afganstan? Look up all the Oil companies that were able to set-up business now after the wars. why didnt they set-up before?? simply they couldnt build wherever and whenever they want. any business needs a stable envirnment.

yes some/many people in Iraq were mistreated under Saddam; so? this gives the West the right to invade it?

I dont believe/follow everythig i hear. I read different articles and come to my own concultions.

Consipricy theory? why becasue is someone says the truth which is not believed by the majority then its Consipricy theory? If the Elite (adminstration/gov't) say something then I should believe it blindly?

it maybe nonsense to you; but hey you're not the only one on YRAC. we all have different views and difference of opinion. if you dont like what you read, you can simply move along instead of belittleing it. you are using exactly the techniques of the Zionists.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Samieh Sztak r Dak on May 8, 2009 at 6:07pm: Asalam 'alaikum,

This is a very important issue and may Allah reward you for bringing this up! Instead of giving my own passionate view that will just start a debate that will become heated. I will pray that you all will watch this lecture ''BEYOND 911 AND THE FUTURE OF THE MUSLIM UMMAH'' please keep in mind that this lecture was given in DEC 2001!!!!!!. this is one of the most IMPORTANT and POWERFUL lectures i have EVER heard by any scholar of islam. and he is the only one i know of in english addressing this issue.
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Permalink Reply by Mr. IZZY "The Artist" on May 8, 2009 at 11:04pm: 9/11 did Muslims really do it?

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Permalink Reply by Dante on May 8, 2009 at 11:18pm: Its not passionate answers. Its bs a whole bunch of copy paste. And If people wanted to know they'd research why bring conspiracy theories to a website about Islam? this stuff has been going on since the 1500s and beyond heck before that.

You act like this is something new. And not to mention that I never said the objective was 100% to free the Iraq people its exactly what i said it is Wanting to have their hands in Every Ones pocket.

Next you'll say the West houses the Antichrist so on so forth./ and NO you cant fix it you don't have the power to only the people doing it can fix it Alex Jones has been at it since 01 with absolutely no progress what makes you think someone from yrac is gonna be able to change it.

Alex jones has gone to court with the CIA and nothing has happened...wake up .... Go look at www.muxlim.com

And look at how people justify Wanting to "know"and being "told"the truth its almsot 100% completley anti west and the majority of its users live in the u.s go on keep it up and yrac will turn into it too probably with a a higher frequency of users joining and

more mouthwash spit out like this topic./

Not that I don't like the topic I looked this crap up in fascination Awe and disappointment(for my government) for over 3 years. and I know what comes from it ...

The u.s didn't push the Saudis into its corruptness Saudi did it to itself so did France and the u.k the U.k has been hunting oil since the U.S was trying to grow and that was before ww1 you read the news.

Just to be clear I don't Support OIF AT ALL but i know thats it not about Oil That may be a plus to IT but its both Bigger and smaller than that its about power and government not petty oil.

AFG was going to happen like it or not look at how the Taliban runs things... Alciaeda and Mujahideen which are both corrupt and racist bigotry industries posing as worthy Muslims brainwashing the modern Muslim youth and upcoming youth"as Samieh over there so zealously claims to want to save. You should speak on

THE CORRUPTION OF THE UMMAH ITSELF and where it is leading Stuff Muslims CAN fix and be aware of not conspiracy theories and wild nonsensical Rants that ISLAM is not responsible for and that moronic Muslims keep falling into.

Talk about the corrupt Mufits that Iran let the U.S place in AFG and IRAN talk about the Muslims who take money for lives from Corrupt muftis in Pakistan to breed Suicide bombers...

Talk about stuff like that dont be so one sided and blind again Mention things the UMMAH can fix not something the "GREAT AND MERCIFUL"Alex Jones spits out of his butt for his multi million radio show in TEXAS that works along side Dave von kleist industries.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by CaptiveMinds on May 9, 2009 at 11:14am: First off your talking about the corruption within the Muslim Ummah; start with your self brother. I dont recall anywhere in Islam its permissable to diss your muslim brothers and be rude. You do have some valid points and if you were smarter you could benefit others from your knowledge; however with your bad attitude and rudeness you are putting people off.

your arguements dont flow, your not objective and dont make any sense. You are moving way off topic. Read the topic again; is was a question about 9/11 and if you believe muslims did it. Jazakoum Allah kheir to Bro Izzy and Bro Samieh for your replies and staying on topic.

If I spoke about 9/11 doesn't automatically mean that I don't think our muslim ummah is corrupt. Where did you read that? There is not one Muslim country ruling under the Sharia law (islamic laws). All of them are corrupt and the so called muslim rulers are selfishly chasing their own needs. yes I agree with you there are a lot of corruption in our ummah that must be faced. But again this was not the topic. you got things to say about it, educate others, build awarness; start another topic.

I am not trying to fix it! I am trying to build awareness. There are many topics that need to be addressed and a lot of awarness is needed in our ummah. and no i'm not going to sit here and wait for the "people doing it" to fix it. like you're asking rosa parker to sit in the back of the bus and not "fix it"; let the "people doing it" fix it. we cant just sit here and expect things to become better without being active.

Its about the Oil, the money and ofcourse the Power. Imperialism and control. and who said the US pushed Saudi to become corrupt? you forgot that the UK and France existed way before the US. what do you think colonialism was?

Consperacy theories or not; you can believe what you want. I believe in the Quran and the Sunnah and the prophecies to come. Things didnt start happening this past century; its a long history.

I will speak about whatever I wish; I am not asking you to support me with your Uncle Tom mentality.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Dante on May 9, 2009 at 11:26am: Uncle tom mentality? why because i don't believe in whatever kind of fake behind revolution of the mind it is your trying to start? YOUR 100 YEARS TOO LATe whats happening has been happening since before you and I so go ahead and try and fix it your wasting your time.

uncle tom Because i don't think like you and oppose you and people like you? who sit there and shift blame going off topic? You went from north woods to 9.11 it's obvious 9.11 was a false flag who Doesn't know that the crap in the middle east was going to happen WITH or without 9.11 anyone could have told you that so what AWARENESS did you build from his topic>?

IF MUSLIMS would drink a cup of get right "western"colonization wouldn't be able to step foot in the Middle east at least not without opposition. I still don't see how you've raised any awareness the Blame falls on the Muslim family as a whole Just as it does the corrupt and sick individuals who orchestrated it.

You use the word uncle tom You cant even describe how im an uncle tom"or what it means.. .So go on im waiting justify your use of the term. And the Quran may not justify "dissing"your brother but it justifies smiting stupidity and down right ignorance maybe with kindness which is exactly what I don't know how to do.

But it definatley pushes for the smiting of ignorance which you sir have completely failed at doing.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Dante on May 9, 2009 at 11:49am: I meant to say your topics. Its simple really in your 9/11 post you bash the west.. and then ask for opinions n bashing the West? Why not Provide the incriminating aspects of both sides. For Example....

Bin laden is kin to the Royal family and is Weapons business with Bush the Carlye Weapons industry was and still is owned by Bush. They make the APCs for the Army (my boys) As soon as 9/11 kicked off Carlye got all the vehicle contracts just about.... and that money was used to Repay the bin laden family (kin to the saudi Royals) For Buying George Walker Bush's FIRST oil company.

When 9/11 Kicked Off.... Bin Laden was simply playing the Bad Guy but not taking responsibility now his group claims responsibility some 5 or 6 odd years later? and then towards the Iraq wars( iraq power struggle) was never a war in my opinion finished up now to 2 yrs ago they claim innocence of the actions...... that occurred on 9.11 Trust and Believe they had help Those Towers do not fall on their own they were built to resist planes.

Not to mention one plane had a weird looking fuselage..... and looked like an air force Jet...

Also people Jumped out of the tower... and were un burnt.... 2thousand degree fire? evaporate much? sadly steel melts at 3thousand degrees which is why the whole story about the Towers collapsing Do not add up. But those Muslim brothers involved EV EN IF THEY WERE Muslim... because they could have been Arab and Asian Christians posing as such.... simply lent their pictures to the scammers.. because one was spotted in morocco.... so the blame does fall on both sides Sadly...; ▶ Reply to This